Not looking looking significant muscle gain, more interested in strength, slight increase in aggression, increase competitiveness, faster recovery, and overall athletic performance. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. I was planning to run 200mg - 250mg test per week before that anyway. Anyway I've learned a lot from reading here on Reddit and figured I'd share this as a way of saying thanks and maybe helping someone else. Does anybody take 200mg of test cyp per week? Electing for a weaker AI in that scenario would be wise, and starting with a very conservative amount of it. For more information, please see our Assuming your T levels have the normal range like Lab Corp uses, then your total T and free T are too high. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. This is the point Im trying to drive home with this article. Obviously the best way to confirm where your Estrogen levels lie though is via blood work. When I initially started TRT: Immediate mental benefits. Music playing in my head again for the first time in months. Total test was around 700. So as expected, his libido nose dived, his dick ceased to work properly (no erections), he had insanely dry and achy joints, among a myriad of other horrible side effects. Based on the current blood work that I'm on for 150mg of TRT, if the results were doubled for 300mg, do you think my blood results could indicate a need for an AI? After dedicating over 8 years to extreme self-improvement, I have created "More Plates More Dates" as a one stop shop for helping you to get yourself on the right path to the "best you" possible too. Cyp and Enanth. First was 500 mg test cyp per week and 50 mg Anavar per week. The dose seems to be a total waste unless you are at a size when steroids arent needed Would lowering the ai maybe help, or even just getting off of it and using it when I get high E2 symptoms work? This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Don't know what else to say. Which Aromatase Inhibitor you should choose and the dosage you use should be based on your own individual propensity to aromatization, what your blood work indicates, the dosage of the aromatizing drugs you are using, etc. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Cookie Notice Low energy. This coming Saturday will be 3 weeks. Also, how long until I can expect to see some gains on this type of cycle. Symptoms: Worsening libido and exercise recovery over the past three years, eventually to the point where it interfered with my life too much (couldn't recover from cycling which is the main thing I do). WebNew Bloodwork on 200mg/week. WebMy doctor prescribed me 200mg of test and 1mg of anastrozole , split every 3.5 days. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. If I did start to get symptoms of high E2, what AI would you recommend and what dosage? That was WITH me taking HCG. I feel just right. Start with a reasonable AI dose, maybe half a mg eod and after a few weeks, maybe a month, get blood work and really understand what's happening inside your body brotha, By ftfaaa in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By ben01 in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By karimsins in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By Actionman in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, Need help knowing whether i should take arimidex with 200mg of test cypionate, Evolutionary.org Steroids Research Forums. I am on my 12th week of Test-Cyp (250mg x2 per week). My natural test levels are about 700 ng/dl, for anyone thats wondering. If I kept my AI dosage constant like that during a cycle (by cycle I mean a blast phase of a supraphysiological amount of highly aromatizing hormones), my experience would more than likely start out with me feeling symptoms of low estrogen, followed by symptoms of high estrogen later in the cycle once my level of aromatization had surpassed the inhibitory capacity of that particular dosage of AI. Privacy Policy. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. Reply the-lone-squid Additional comment actions I didn't really use an A.I except for the first 2 weeks. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Original bloodwork collected 08-Jul-2020. I cant even count how many times Ive seen a guy propose his entire cycle layout asking for feedback, and for some strange reason his AI dose is already determined prior to the cycle, and stays constant for the entire duration of the cycle despite other changes in aromatizing compounds occurring during the cycle. Common symptoms of high estrogen include: These are all quite unpleasant side effects, and it isnt uncommon to experience several of them at once if your estrogen levels remain too high or low. Both scenarios are very unpleasant to say the least. WebMost people on TRT do not need AIs. One colossal mistake I see widespread among bodybuilders and recreational enhanced lifters is that they have a predetermined dosage set for their Aromatase Inhibitor (AI). Privacy Policy. I'm 6'7 (200cm) around 245lbs (11kg) so I find that I typically have to run higher dosages of everything, but your situation may be different. I was planning on adding .5 mg E3D starting with the week 3 injection, which was today, but I'm interested to see what others are running at 200 mg Test/week. Heres an example of what Im talking about: Hey guys, newbie to AAS here and wanted to run my cycle by you guys and see if you have any feedback or changes you would make. Generally, the jobs AI algorithms can do are tasks that require human intelligence to complete, such as pattern and speech recognition, image analysis, and This is far less likely to happen with the weaker AIs like Arimistane and Aromasin, but it is very common with Arimidex and Letrozole. Archived post. - Proper protocols should not be exceeding more than 200 mg of testosterone cypionate per week. BBiceps Well-known member Awards 4 Oct 5, 2021 Ive done all my research, but I want to get rid of my last bit of uncertainty before actually starting. If these symptoms go away and your sex drive is perfect, you have no erectile dysfunction issues, etc. 50mgs or even 100mgs E4 days will work very well. I had no symptoms of high Estrogen at all. Recent bloodwork collected 09-Sep-2020. WebFor eg starting with 200:200 mg per week. Cookie Notice This couldnt be further from the truth, and it explains why many individuals embark on their anabolic cycles with a misconception that they need an AI in there at a particular dosage to prevent side effects.. Main thing is how I feel on the bike. And MAYBE winstrol. I've experimented with different diets, but none of it's really objectively made much of a difference, other than the keto diet which destroyed my recovery because I did it properly and maintained therapeutic ketosis, which meant restricting protein. Is there anyone who is on 250mg per week and experiences no major side effects, bloat or moon face? Spicy/painful nipples and severe water retention first week or two, which quickly went away (I do have leftover gyno from puberty - I was obese during puberty and most of my life). WebCurrent dosing 0.25 mL of 200 mg/mL testosterone cypionate E3.5D (100 mg/week) intramuscular, vastus lateralis, using a 29 gauge insulin syringe. If your Estrogen is too high, then you need to slightly increase your AI dose, or switch to a stronger one and start the titration process over again. Total testosterone - 60 nmol/L (1730 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 202 pmol/L (55 pg/mL)(This one didn't come with SHBG sadly), Total testosterone - 45 nmol/L (1300 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 212 pmol/L (57 pg/mL)SHBG - 18 nmol/L. Usually 2, or even more sometimes, but right after a blast I might drop to 1 cos I'm over pinning. I've been prescribed this through an endocrinologist and not one of these TRT clinics that seem to be popular, so I only pay $30 a month for the medication, plus $10-20 here and there for bloodwork and doctor's visits. Best. Hello everyone. I haven't felt this good in a long time. Scan this QR code to download the app now. I don't have an AI prescribed by my doctor, so I may need to get one online. Generally, the low end of a blast is around 300mg per week. Cookie Notice 1mg a day is way too high to start. If so, how much? For some 120 mg per week puts some people at 1500. You need to determine how you react and aromatize so you can dial in your aromatase inhibitor needs. Ur better off doing it more often to keep a steady blood plasma level. If you dont need it, it will crash your e2 and youll feel like crap. Using a predetermined dosage for your AI simply makes zero sense. My plan was to come off right about now and use the Torem I bought for Cloudflare Ray ID: 7c0d6cf02a14bf6a I do feel really strange to have needed treatment like this at such a young age, but my body's had a hard life I suppose with my history. When used for this purpose, Arimidex is typically introduced in week two of the cycle and taken for the entire length of the cycle at 0.5mg twice a week. 32 years old. After the anastrozole, symptoms have calmed down and I hold way less water on my frame too. On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. My luteinizing hormone in my pre-TRT bloodwork was 5.2 mIU/mL (ref range 1.7-8.6), seems to have been an issue with the testes. ~15% body fat if I had to guess. It isnt rocket science, however, many users seem to have completely neglected to comprehend why they are using an AI in the first place, and what purpose it serves. Here are my starting and current numbers, Reference: Total T(348-1197) Free T(4.7-24.4) E2(25.8-60.7) SHBG(10-80), Starting 07/26: 543ng/dl 13.43ng/dl 43.2pg/ml 25nmol/L, Current 09/06: 1455ng/dl 47.41ng/dl 31.8pg/ml 19nmol/L. flow1979 2 yr. ago. My question, do any of you guys run 200mg/week without an AI? #5. At the 200mg dose of testosterone, you most likely will not need any AI. If so how do you feel on it? Would I need an AI for a 300mg test cycle? This guy was literally on the second strongest Aromatase Inhibitor there is, for a dosage of Testosterone that just keeps his Test levels at high-normal. However, if you understand how these drugs work in the first place, you will understand there is a compounding effect with everything, and they take several weeks to fully saturate in your system. WebNot really, youll be in a range that you likely need an AI but without high enough test levels to offset the AIso youll either get some solid gyno and sides from high estrogen or youll crater your estrogen and have low estrogen sides. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. In the case of this cycle, there are 2 heavily aromatizing compounds in there for the first 4 weeks (Test E and Dbol). So, if there is differing amounts of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle, as well as saturation levels increasing at different rates and heavily aromatizing compounds being swapped in and out of the cycle, does it make sense to be using the exact same dose of Aromatase Inhibitor for the entirety of this cycle? This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Insane productivity, like coming out of depression (I wasn't depressed) almost and looking around and realizing all the stuff I've been neglecting to do, then doing it immediately because why not. I've been on TRT for around 5 months now. WebMany men can take 200mg or more per week without need for an AI. Plus the LGD might tank my SHGB causing higher E2. Most normal otherwise healthy men who have low serum levels due to age related decline and exhibit symptoms don't need 200 mg a week. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. 200mg I really dont need any anti-e's unless Im reversing some sensitive nipples from a big cycle before. Libido: From a 0/10 to a 5/10. No AI was needed what so ever. Cycle #3 500mg/wk Primo, 200mg/wk Deca, 200 mg/wk Test for 10 weeks. E.G. This is the target estrogen sweet spot you want to shoot for to feel amazing and improve your quality of life substantially. Is it necessary to use an AI on 250mg of test per week? Either way is a lose lose. (PCT) Week 15-17 100mg/day Clomid for the first 10 days, then 50mg/day for 10 more days. So, the key to staying in the sweet spot is getting your blood work done, and adjusting your AI dose accordingly based upon your current Aromatase Inhibitor needs. I think its Arimidex is only approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Just the other day I had a consultation with a guy who told me about how he is on 150 mg of Testosterone per week for his TRT, and his doctor put him on 1 mg of Arimidex every day for his Aromatase Inhibitor. I was prescribed 1 MG Anastrozole E3D, which I thought was excessive, especially since my pre-TRT bloods had my Estradiol at <6.0. and our I'd appreciate some feedback, especially from those of you with experience running NPP. I agree with CP3 and the gentleman above here, 1 mg a day with 200 mgs Test would presumably crash your E levels. TRT is a game changer - 100 mg/wk Test-C - Pre and Post Bloodwork, Scan this QR code to download the app now. Our objective is to create an in-depth background of performance enhancing drugs from every background while building a community around discussion of these substances. Normally 100 mgs per week is the starting dose. In short this has been a game changer. WebPrimo can be run in lower dosages (200mg - 500mg) but really has a fantastic effect when bumped up past 600+ mg a week. Second cycle you could bump up the test to 400 or 500 mg per week and still see nice gains. Week 1-12 500mg/week Testosterone Cypionate (Mon/Thur at 250mg), 0.5mg/day Arimidex. Question whether SARMS will help me or not. I dont want gyno. I would say .5 EOD see how your body reacts and go from there. Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. How can you expect to keep your Estrogen levels in the sweet spot with a predetermined dosage of your Aromatase Inhibitor? You could Check bloods on cruise pretty regularly Nac Well-known member Awards 3 Oct 5, 2021 #11 BBiceps said: In 1 or 2 shots? Add a Comment. Week 1-12: Arimidex 0.5 mg per day. Your not a pro level figure competitor so most probably need to train normally. I wouldn't need that much of an Aromatase Inhibitor even if I was on 5x as much Testosterone as he is on per week. and our A few concerns I recently had some blood work done after about 7 weeks of a dosage change from 150mg/week to 200mg/week of test cyp. 125mg is sweet spot for most people and don't need AI with that said, you should still verify with bloodwork since everybody is different. If your doctor is forcing drugs like Arimidex on you, be 100% sure you understand how to interpret your blood work before you start popping pills and hurt yourself. But you for sure need to have an AI on hand just in case you Most definitely not 1mg of Adex a day that's over kill. I administer every 3.5 days along with HCG @ 500iu each time. My fitness score in TrainingPeaks doubled in the past two weeks and I've been pumping out mileage I haven't dreamed of since last season. If you start to get too far below this level, you can start to experience symptoms of low Estrogen. Most men do well on Then, after actually getting on TRT, another challenge often rears its ugly head, and that is Estrogen control, and how to go about doing it safely and most effectively. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. If you are getting more than 200 mg per week, that is getting into gray area IMO. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. If this is your first visit, please REGISTER. Appreciate any response. Typically, most men feel their best when their estrogen levels lie between 20-30 pg/ml in their blood work. I have days where I feel like an absolute king and then I have days where I feel worse than when I started trt. Reply [deleted] Additional comment actions Id want it separate as well. 350mg to 450mg NPP per week should yield some nice results. Even with high testosterone levels, you can still experience ALL of the unwanted side effects of out of range estrogen levels if they are too high or low. And i was on a similar dose. Blood work was ordered due to emotions, bloating, and nipple tenderness. Most definitely not 1mg of Adex a day that's over kill. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. Our objective is to create an in-depth background of performance enhancing drugs from every background while building a community around discussion of these substances. This would be run with 500mg of test e per week. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. The goal you should have is to keep your Estrogen between 20-30 pg/ml for the entirety of your cycle, regardless of what dosage of AI is necessary to achieve that. Obviously Im aware its still very early, but libido and ED issues remain and seem to have gotten a bit worse. Or 100 mg split 50mg twice a week. Scan this QR code to download the app now. TRT started 06-Aug-2020. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. WebIf you inject 200mg of test a week your natural production will be near 0. Deca at 200mg to 300mg per week will prove highly effective You can get ripped on 200mg test/week, but it takes time and effort, and you will be a ripped natty guy, not a ripped bodybuilder. If you look at steroid cycles, 500mg test is a 'n00b' cycle, and most people will gain maybe a pound of real LBM a week on that. A heavier cycle might be e.g. 500mg test 300mg tren, which is equivalent to 2g test/week. /r/PEDs is dedicated to information about enhancing performance. If you look at steroid cycles, 500mg test is a Firstly it's a little concerning that an MD would prescribe stuff with obviously no real knowledge of endocrinology, buuuuut I'll take rx test from whoever lol. Long story short, you cant, unless you have been using the exact same compound for a very long period of time and have definitively concluded via blood work what dosage of that particular compound equates to a particular level of Estrogen aromatization in the body. Either drop the HCG or lower your test dose. Now, to the average steroid user, that probably doesnt look like a bad cycle outline and they may even be asking themselves what exactly is wrong with this. Dont be messing with bloods while your doctor gets you dialed in. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. I use 1mg on 200mg Test C a week, it kept my estro fairly low (not too low), without it my estro got high (a couple of points over the recommended limit), so it looks like I need a AI. I can run 200mg per week with no AI but if I add HCG then my e2 skyrockets which will cause libido issues. I'm really grateful TRT is an option for me. On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. My question is, will I need to use an AI such as arimidex or aromasin to keep e2 levels in check if im only using 200mg per week? I made a post not too long ago about taking an AI only instead of directly pinning myself, where I learned that will cause more harm than good. I recently got my family doc to bump my test-c dose to 200mg/ week from 150mg/week. Archived post. ib00sti 2 yr. ago. Curious on thoughts. Consider this as an advanced cycle (not for first time users). while running approx. Week 1-12: Test E 750 mg. Week 1-12: Equipoise 700 mg. Week 1-4: Dbol 40 mg per day. Nowadays, AIs are treated almost as on-cycle essentials, and are simply a necessity just like your multivitamin you pop each day is. Current dosing 0.25 mL of 200 mg/mL testosterone cypionate E3.5D (100 mg/week) intramuscular, vastus lateralis, using a 29 gauge insulin syringe. Thanks for the help. Zero health issues whatsoever, knock on wood. Run that for 12 weeks and then PCT. and our Even when I'm fatigued, I'm aware of it, but mentally, I can keep going.
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