Do not strike faces or heads Its perverse secular culture which advocates and promoted S&M kinky bedroom games not the Bible. And so many selfish, heartless, sexually sadistic Areal Castro centric Christian men are telling women they cant refuse their husbands sex. Try a bit of balance, do. (I dont have much time or interest right now to go through and read all comments left to me since I last was here, or comment on them all.) I can see from your posts that you have major issues with men, but please dont filter the Bible through your own experiences. Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. Not a lot of leaders of either gender out there, but we go for the carob; controlling. What a heartless bunch. Young girls will also learn from the behavior and may find themselves with abusive men because of familiarity. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. Now no one complains to the Pastor at Bible school anymore I can tell you. And isnt transsexuality also ok? That is called assault and battery and is illegal. Cant get strength that will defend them a la Roy Rogers, so you get strength that will slap you around a la Gray or John Wayne in his worse moments. Our pastor teaches us how the Lord puts our Husbands over us as our masters. Yet you say, For what reason? Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. TIL hitting your spouse is the key to making relationships work. If you didnt, you wouldnt have your job for very long, would you?! You sit there on your high horse telling a survivor what her recovery should look like. Christian Domestic Discipline, wife spanking, Christian Patriarchy Movement, Spanking of Adult Children, Denominational Practices and teachings Two summers ago, I received a phone call from a pastor who shared his growing concern about wife-spanking in his family of churches. Christian Domestic Discipline, wife spanking, Christian Patriarchy Movement, Spanking of Adult Children, Denominational Practices and teachings Two summers ago, I received a phone call from a pastor who shared his growing concern about wife-spanking in his family of churches. Hubby seems to like anal sex. Most of these husbands never believed their wives would ever accept CDD, but today the majority of their wives do. Youre filtering Scriptures not only through your experiences, but also a previous assumption that God approves and condones patriarchy, and you read that back into the Bible. Thanks, Gary. I can see from your posts that you have major issues with men, Some men are sexist, selfish, or abusive pigs. Each jurisdiction has its own laws and its own policies for how law enforcement deal with domestic abuse. Carrie, what conclusion did Pat Robertson come up with to help this husband? There is plenty of information out there, why dont you do your research instead of spreading intolerance and hatry. Domestic Discipline You are going to have to move to a place of forgiveness. Youre quoting a rule or law which only applied under the Old Covenant, for the Jews. How did you finally put it all together that wife spanking was wrong? You need to be more Christ-like, Jesus never told a woman that she had to be subject to any man, have sex with her husband against her will. Im over 40 years of age and in charge of my own life. In Laurens situation, she described her husband as calm and never in anger, yet he referred to her in demeaning terms, little girl, as a father would say to a child. Lone Voice said. The worst things always begins with good intentions, but it only takes a couple of fixes to totally corrupt Gods truth and turn order into confusion. It is associated with the ego deflation experienced by one who really, really wishes to say something pointed and clever, but they just cant put their hands on anything of sufficient substance. From what you describe, it sounds like he had a sense of entitlement over you you were an object to be owned rather than a cherished wife to be treasured and loved. Women do not secretly want to be controlled and desired. Its not physically another person, but it is mentally and emotionally. Jesus and Paul went with out sex. The second thing we were asked was for Ben to spank me in front of Pastor and his wife. Christianity is a great world view for men who know very well they are unwanted by most women. General: Dont like scripture when it disagrees with your prejudices, you guys, do you? The size difference between you and he is considerable and would be very threatening. For instance, those who practice domestic discipline often cite scripture that calls for wives to submit to their husbands. But just like a chocolate addict will eat carob in moments of dire necessity. [redacted] said Jamin is very controlling. That is inappropriate and now you are now in the doghouse. I dont know if my Mom was ever spanked. I come to believe that spanking is needed to protect the marriage. I found an old post of yours from last year. Daisy, just where in the Gospels did Christ say, I say Genesis 3:16 is not to be followed any more? You write as though no woman in the Bible had any learning. (Ill let her tell you one way or the other, if she wants to.). . Here is a challenge for you that will expose your hypocrisy: your argue that a woman can only be tricked into that kind of relationship. What I can however say is that what you describe isnt generally speaking the spirit of domestic discipline. I got support from friends and it was only when I opened up to them that they helped me see it was wrong. In Dr. Phils example, we see a bully who used rage and anger as he spanked/assaulted his wife. Spare the rod, spoil the wife 1Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. No wife who has ever been spanked by her husband submitted out of fear? [redacted] is originally from England and is unfamiliar with local laws and believed Jamin. No woman is squelched by wanting her man to take up his God-given authority and actually lead. I have a dear friend in a marriage filled with Spiritual Abuse. To say that I consented to be spanked, or to say that even an adult woman consents to being spanked simply because she remains in that situation is to make a mockery of the word consent. Julie Anne, your visitors are in the main grindingly politically correct and feminist and you are the chief, so much so that you cannot see that the Junia site, advocating for the inclusion of women in leadership in the Christian church and for mutuality in marriage is not the slightest bit feminist and flying in the face of scripture (starting with Genesis 2:18 and 3:16 funny how many great verses in the Bible are 3:16, isnt it? (Daisy, it is my hope and prayer, by the way, that in the cases I disagree with you, I do so without being disagreeableblessings to you, and my apologies for when I fail in this). For example: Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all things. There are millions of non christians practicing domestic discipline, and millions of Christians practicing it too. Please go and speak to a pastor in a completely different church from the one they were in (I should recommend a sister in a Pentecostal church, but thats just my personal suggestion). This new 3-part podcast series is not a like any of my previous writings on the subject of Domestic Discipline. [redacted] did not report the incident right away because she was afraid of retaliation and did not know what to do. I am in my early 30s and this past 4th of July I was there and we had a bit of an argument. Its in the Lords Prayer as well: forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Dont want me sticking my nose into your bedroom affairs? I was moving from one bad relationship to another, so she invited me to a prayer group she went to. People practicing Domestic Discipline are typically very mature and proactive people who really think through these aspects of their relationship. A friend of mine from work saw how down I was. And if youre going to argue that dressing as a different type is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than dressing as a different person.oh, please. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 50 SHADES OF GREY AND PATRIARCHY: WHAT EXACTLY DID WE EXPECT? Jesus said to the Pharisees, Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth., I think youd be surprised at how educated these people are. Didnt the APA decide homosexuality is just fine? Wheres the barf bag? Your beliefs are no excuse for assaulting another person. I get to hear why some other wives get spanked and all the wives want to tell the pastor why they got spanked. But for her husband, and possibly her father, if that is what him and her husband agree on, then I dont think it is wrong. Reading this comment section is like reading a handbook of how liberal thinkers (and do not assume that I am a conservative), go about turning people who think differently than them into mentally sick people. The best part of domestic discipline is what has happened emotionally between this long-time married couple. Webchristian domestic discipline; Corset Waist Training; Deep Thoughts; Exercise and Chocolate; Fiction; maintenance; marriage; my submissiveness; Orgasm Control; Pierced Nipples; Punishment; Spanking; Submission; swingers But when you seriously contend that there mere fact that our Lord appeared first to women and told them to tell the men negates the creation ordinance, Deborahs curse of wimpy Barak and the clear words of the Holy Spirit on this subject through the Apostle Paul, then I suggest you have really lost touch with the will of God. Part of me wishes this practice of wife spanking waslimited to just one denomination so it could be easierto expose, but it is clear from the above examples that we cannot. Im an adult who is in control of her own life. The article was popular with over 600 comments. He is giving me enough leeway so I am not really stressed about it, and since our test spank, I know what Im in for if I fail. Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. I think you should take the time to study what you want to criticize for you do not know what you are talking about (and this is not some sort of insulting rethoric, this is to be taken literally). I dont know how wide-spread the practice was, but I remember my parents had no problem threatening me with discipline where other people from our church were within earshot and dont remember ever hearing any kind of shock or outrage from anyone else. Very interested in the resources available to wives repeatedly forced to accept this unspeakable treatment. (no spanking adults goes without saying, though your parents just may provoke Prime Minister Justin Trudeau TO say that) Muslims and Hindus follow male headship. We use the Bible in our lessons. And then after that we will spend several articles looking at cultural views of domestic discipline in America before the modern age. Biblical Case for Domestic Discipline When I asked abut their secret, the answer was usually a giggle and, You should take the class on preparing your self to be a Godly wife. When I took the class that is where the concept of a CDD relationship came from. Youve really got to be ok with the idea that people may live a life that you feel totally unacceptable for yourself if they freely consent to live that life. It contains articles on spanking in marriage, as well as advice on leading the home. Do you find that you need it as much or less over the last 30 years? You are free to live this lifestyle. (LogOut/ Are you insisting that your reading of these passages is the only possible correct one? Did you hear of anyone else going through the same thing? They took all her her clothes off in front of everybody and then she got a spanking by the Pastor and her husband with their belts. Would Jesus (bad word) the church against the churches will? Never, dear Julie Anne, not for one second, did I imagine you would have the remotest understanding let alone any empathy for what I was trying to express. Please, please, JA and Serving, do not receive this comment as condemnation, or even as criticism. ), Lone Voice says, But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit. I dont know where I have ever read such a torrent of self-satisfied sanctimony. Whats the problem if certain people want a superior/inferior relationship? There are some real sins out there. No, Bike Bubba, by role play I meant dressing up as a type, not as another person. I can remember being a little girl (probably middle school age) and hearing someone tell me the Scripture in Ephesians that calls women to submit to their husbands. Yes, many Muslims and Hindus follow male headship. You choose to call it domestic discipline. Even interpreting the Bible in an incorrect way as you do to read authority into the Bible, your view only addresses married mothers, and is not applicable or workable for never-married women, widows, the infertile, the childfree or the divorced. [redacted], and his wife, [redacted], were in the room while I was talking with [redacted]. It makes complete sense that someone raised in this culture would extend it to domestic abuse. You need to give their views more serious study and attention. Its gonna happen. 10 Things Every Christian Husband MustUnlearn, Give Your Husband the Gift He Actually Wants forChristmas. As for other men, besides the father to spank her, that isnt right. To correct bad behavior, and when done biblically, it isnt wrong to spank a wife. Calling it just a spanking in some ways covers up what is going on, I think. I have always made a point of emphasizing how much I love and respect him for being our HOH and not falling into the trap that other men do. I cant support you in that. I may be submissive, but Im no idiot doormat! Anonymous,experienceproject.com. Most of the time, my husband is like, Sure, baby. I was hoping the article was good no to come out and say that all hitting, whether it is an adult or child, is assault, but I didnt see that. It is almost enough to make me hope that the doctrine of eternal conscious punishment is true, at least for some whose evil actions in this life are especially egregious. Like when my HOH was contemplating experimenting with our maintenance schedule. I grew up in a very conservative, Southern household and was spanked at home until I left. Thats it. States have laws restricting contracts between two consenting adults. Because, Julie Anne, is that not what you feel about any woman who wants to give her husband the authority to lead, let alone any women who would quite like to be disciplined or feel powerless in the bedroom?. Twosummers ago, I received a phone call from a pastor who shared his growing concern about wife-spanking in his family of churches. You get all edgy. A Lone Voice, you have major issues with women having the right to say NO to men. Someone or something seemingly convinced you that you are not a full adult, that you are a bad (dark) child who deserve discipline. Meanwhile, I assume, you do not see your partner as a bad (dark) little boy who need you to discipline him. As time went on, Ben became stricter and stricter with me, and my maintenance spankings have decreased from once a day, which lasted for over 6 months, to the now twice a week, Wednesday evening before our prayer meeting, and Sunday evening before Sunday bible study. In the beginning I would test him all the time to see if he was serious. Our church pastor growing up would talk about disciplining according to emotional age, not actual age. Domestic
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